Dem baş, temaşevanên me yên hêja. Good day, our esteemed viewers.
Ez Rûlyana Hec Ehmed me, û îro bi xelekeke nû ji bernameya Gundên Welat, dîsa li gel we me. I am Rulyana Hec Ehmed, and today I am with you again with a new episode of the Villages of the Country program.
Di xeleka îro de, me berê xwe da gundên ser sînorê Tirkiyê, gundên Efrînê, In today's episode, we headed to the villages on the Turkish border, the villages of Afrin,
û bi taybetî navçeya Raco ne. and specifically the Rajo district.
Em bi hev re hatin, gundê Meydan Ekbes. We came together to the village of Meydan Ekbes.
Em ê bi hev re derbasî gund bibin, xelkê gund nas bikin. Çawa bi hev re dijîn, bi me re bimînin û me temaşe bikin. We will enter the village together, get to know the people of the village. How they live together, stay with us and watch us.
Gundê Meydan Ekbes. The village of Meydan Ekbes.
Li başûrê navçeya Raco ve dikeve û 23 kîlometreyan ji navçeya Raco ve dûr dikeve. It is located to the south of the Rajo district and is 23 kilometers away from the Rajo district.
Û 56 kîlometreyan ji navçeya Efrînê ve dûr dikeve. And it is 56 kilometers away from the Afrin district.
Ev gund nêzî 370 malî ye û 1800 kes li vê derê dijîn. This village has about 370 houses, and 1800 people live here.
Û beriya 119 salan hatiye avakirin. And it was established 119 years ago.
Belê, temaşevanên me yên hêja, Yes, our esteemed viewers,
Niha em li navenda gundê Meydan Ekbes ne, û bi taybetî li mala mixtarê gund. Now we are in the center of Meydan Ekbes village, specifically at the home of the village mukhtar.
Naha em ê bi mixtar re rûdinên, ew ê ji me re qala gund bike, li ser dîroka gund, bi me re bimînin. Now we will sit with the mukhtar, and he will tell us about the village, about the history of the village, stay with us.
Merheba xalê mixtar. Hello, uncle mukhtar.
Ehlen û sehlen ser çava. Welcome, you're on my eyes.
Çawa yî? How are you?
Baş im elhemdulillah, hûn çawa ne? I am fine, praise be to God, how are you?
Baş im elhemdulillah, em te nas bikin. I am fine, praise be to God, let us get to know you.
Navê min Elî ye. My name is Eli.
Bavê min Hesen e. Ji xelkê vî gundî me. My father's name is Hesen. I am from the people of this village.
Û tu mixtarê gund î. And you are the mukhtar of the village.
Û mixtarê gund im. And I am the mukhtar of the village.
Çi wext e tu mixtar î? Since when have you been the mukhtar?
Ev heft sal e. It's been seven years.
Heft sal heta niha, ha? Seven years up until now, right?
Aha. Heta niha wekî mixtar im ha. Yes. I've been the mukhtar up until now.
Belê. Yes.
Em dixwazin ji me re hinekî behsa gundê Meydan Ekbes bikî. We want you to tell us a little bit about the village of Meydan Ekbes.
Em werin destpêkê, navê Meydan Ekbes ji ku derê hatiye? Let's start from the beginning, where does the name Meydan Ekbes come from?
Welleh wekî me rê gotinî, Well, as they told us,
Ekbes li gihayê çêdidan, giha ecêb didan. Ekbes is what they called the grass, there was a strange grass.
Belê. Yes.
Û meydan jî, deştek e, gundî ye ev. And meydan means square, it's a plain, it's a village.
Dibêjin Meydan Ekbes. They call it Meydan Ekbes.
Navê gund ê din jî heye, dibêjin Îstasyon, bi îngilîzî ye, bi erebî jî Mehete ye. The village has another name, they call it Istasyon, it's in English, and in Arabic it's Mehete (Station).
Li ser wê hatiye navkirin yanî. I mean, it was named after that.
Mihete ye ji ber ku nêzî... It's a station because it's close...
Li ser sînorê Tirkiyê ye. It's on the Turkish border.
Aha. Yes.
Ew qapî ye. It's a gate.
Qapî ye. Qapî Meydan Ekbes e. It's a gate. It's the Meydan Ekbes gate.
Ew, ev trêna ji Sûriyê gişta di vir re derbas dibe diçe derve. All the trains from Syria pass through here and go outside.
Has di vir re derbas dibin yanî. They only pass through here.
Aha. Ah.
Temenê gund ewe, çiqas e? The age of the village, how old is it?
Teqrîben 110 sal, 113 sal... Approximately 110 years, 113 years...
Em bi mehetê re ava bûne. Avabûne... We were established with the station. Established...
Lênû şixul tune bû. Gundî her kes hat wê derê. But there were no jobs. So the villagers, everyone came there.
Bi riya mehetê hatin, tewzîf bûn, şixul dîtin, berê feqîr halek hebû. They came through the station, they got employed, found jobs, people were poor before.
Miletê vir jî piraniya wan li deşta Meydanê, Kosa û Xweştan, gundê dor me. The majority of the people here are from the Meydan plain, Kosa and Xweştan, the villages around us.
Yanî em bêjin yek ji eslê xwe bi xwe ji Meydan Ekbes tune ye? So you are saying there is no one originally from Meydan Ekbes itself?
Tune ye, asil kes li vir tune ye. No, there is no one originally from here.
Belê. Yes.
Û wextê em li vir in. And when we were here.
Behdî çend salan şûnda, Ermen hatin virê. After a few years, the Armenians came here.
Belê. Yes.
Ermenî jî, tehjîr hatin yanî. The Armenians came as displaced people.
Ev di kîjan salê de bû? What year was this in?
Dikeve 1920'an da bê. It falls in the 1920s.
1920. 1920.
Aha. Yes.
Ew jî hatin vir rûniştin. Vir jî... They also came and settled here. Here...
Şixulê wan jî tune bû, derketin çûn. They didn't have any jobs either, so they left and went away.
Çûn li Helebê bela bûn. They went and scattered in Aleppo.
Çûn Şamê hinek. Çûn Beyrûtê, hinek çûn Emerîka, her hinek çûn deriyekî. Some went to Damascus. Some went to Beirut, some went to America, each went somewhere.
Belê. Yes.
Bes heta naha ko, meqberên gund yên li vir hene yanî, yên Ermeniyan. But even up until now, the village cemeteries are here, the Armenian ones.
Destpêkê ku milet hatî gund. In the beginning when the people came to the village.
Em bêjin gund çawa bû? Çi tê de hebû? Çi tune bû? Let's say, how was the village? What was in it? What wasn't?
Dar bûn, darî polotê bûn, şînayî têde tune bû, bes ava wê hebû digotin. There were trees, oak trees, there was no greenery, but they used to say it had water.
Av, ekî ji ku derê dihat? Water, where did it come from?
Av bi xwe ava li vê derê, bîrên ava vir pir in. The water itself is the water here, there are many water wells here.
Ihim. Mm-hmm.
Û takwîniya vir bi xwe, bi riya mehetê bû. And the formation of this place itself, was through the station.
Belê. Yes.
Yanî em ku da herin, bi riya mehetê ve çêbû. I mean, wherever we went, it happened through the station.
Belê. Yes.
Yanî mal, ti derê vê derê tune bû, tu tê dibêjî? You mean to say, there were no houses, no places here?
Tune bûn, qişle bûn. There weren't, they were barracks.
Yanî berake bûn, qişle bûn. Û dît heriyê bûn. I mean they were shacks, barracks. And they were mud huts.
Belê. Yes.
Kes li vir nedikarî bijîya. Germahiyek pir bû. No one could live here. It was very hot.
Destpêkê gund, em bêjin ha vana hatin, dû re yên din hatin? At the beginning of the village, let's say these ones came, and then the others came?
Dîsa ew bi rêyên sikeyê hatin. Evna ji meydanan ve hatin pir, bi riya sikeyê kete vir. They also came through the railways. These ones came mostly from the squares, they came here through the railways.
Yanî wekî wanî borkirî bû. Yanî tiştek xwerû sabit tune bû li vir. Giş koçer bûn. I mean it was temporary. Meaning there was nothing inherently permanent here. They were all nomads.
Erê. Bes em dibêjin navên malbatan çi ne? Yes. But we say, what are the names of the families?
Wellehî min pirs nekirî ha. Well, I haven't asked that.
Min pirs nekiriye welle. I really haven't asked.
Belê. Yes.
Axa hatin vê derê. The Aghas came here.
Axan jî mulkê xwa li vir hebûn. Ber hudûd e ev ro. The Aghas also had properties here. It's on the border today.
Ê gund ê begê bûn, berê gund ê begê bûn, paşê hatin virê. The village belonged to the Begs, the village used to belong to the Begs, then they came here.
Danêrin çi da... navên axayan tenê bîra te? Let's just put... do you only remember the names of the Aghas?
Malê Mehmûd Axa bûn, There was the family of Mehmud Agha,
Malê Cuma bûn, The family of Cuma,
Malê Izet Axa bûn, ha vana bûn. The family of Izet Agha, it was these.
Belê. Yes.
Paşê yavaş yavaş, yeka yeka wanî... manê şixul. Then slowly, one by one, like this... meaning they worked.
Û bi vî awayî gund çêbû. And this is how the village was formed.
Niha gundî bi giştî, çi karî dikin? Çi kar hey e? Çi tune ye? Now generally, what work do the villagers do? What jobs are there? What isn't?
Di gund de em bi xwe gişt bi ser zîraetê de dijîn li vir. In the village, we ourselves mostly live on agriculture here.
Piraniya me. The majority of us.
Û trênek hebû berê, milet diçû dihat. Mesela li vê derê mihet heye. Ticaret. And there used to be a train, people would come and go. For example, there is a station here. Trade.
Bi ya xwe ticareta xwe dikir, ewê xwe karê di der de dikir. Some would do their own trade, some would work outside.
Em ê pîçekî biftilin aliyê wê trêneyê. We will turn a bit to the side of that train.
Berî gava, ew trêneyê çaxê çawa bû? Çaxê çêkirin... Before, how was that train? When they built it...
Di sêzdehî de. Şixulî. In thirteen. It operated.
1913'an de. In 1913.
Çêkirin. Ha vê rêjîmî Sûriye çêkiribû. They built it. The Syrian regime built this.
Tarîxê wê li ser e ha. Li ser e sîn e. Its history is on it. The year is on it.
1913. Şixulê trêneyê ye. 1913. It's the operation of the train.
Û bînayê vir hene. Almanî hene heta naha ko. And there are buildings here. There are German ones up until now.
Fransî hene. There are French ones.
Li kuderê ne? Where are they?
Di mihetê de hene evna. They are in the station.
Mihetê ne Sûriye çêkiribû yanî? So Syria didn't build the station?
Na, na. Berî Sûriyê, ne dewlet bû wê demê Sûriye. No, no. Before Syria, Syria wasn't a state at that time.
Ne dewlet bû hêdî wê gavê. It wasn't a state yet at that moment.
Demê Fransa de bû. It was during the French era.
Demê Fransa bû, Îngilîz hebû berî wê. It was the French era, there were the British before that.
Rêya trênê di çi xetê de derbas dibûn? Which line did the train route pass through?
Pir li vir bûn. Turk hebûn li vê derê. It was mostly here. There were Turks here.
Ez xwestim zanibim kî çêkir. Rêka trêneyê? Tirkiyê bê yan Îngilîzan? I wanted to know who built it. The train route? Was it Turkey or the British?
Almanyayê çêkirbû. Heta naha bînayên gund li vir hene, bînayek Almanyayê ye. Yek Fransî ye. Germany had built it. Up until now, there are village buildings here, there is a German building. One is French.
Hêna ha niha jî li vir in. They are still here right now.
Hene, ev a Almanyayê ye, ev a Fransî ye. They exist, this one is Germany's, this one is French.
Û demê ew bînayên ha hebûn, gund ava nebibû hê? And when those buildings existed, the village hadn't been established yet?
Naxêr. Çima? Ava bibûn hindik bûn. Pir hindik bûn. No. Why? They were established, they were few. They were very few.
Av hebû, gund, miletê gund jî hebû wê derê. There was water, the village, the village people were also there.
Belê. Yes.
Em bêjin dema ku şixulî, vê sikeyê xwe çêkir, derxistin û trên hat... Let's say when it operated, they built this railway, laid it out and the train came...
Çi karê trêneyê... çi bû? What was the job of the train... what was it?
Û kî lê dimaşî, kî pê dihat û çû? And who rode it, who came and went on it?
Ev trêna xwe, meanê barê qaçax bû. Ticaret bû, barê qaçax bû. This train itself, mainly carried smuggled goods. It was trade, it was smuggled cargo.
Paşê fergonek ji rê diçû bi wê barê... milet... Then one wagon would go from the route with that cargo... the people...
Yanî fergonek tenê ji rê diçû Helebê, manê milet. I mean, only one wagon from the route would go to Aleppo, mainly for the people.
Milet pê here û were, emma ne xusûsî manê milet çêbibe. People would come and go on it, but it wasn't specially made for the people.
Bi xwe manê boriyê bû, dewar pê diçûyî, ticareta Helebê pir li ser trênê bû. It was mainly for transit, livestock went on it, Aleppo's trade heavily relied on the train.
Qumaş diçû dihat, tiştê dikanan diçû dihat... Fabrics would come and go, shop goods would come and go...
Ew bû yanî, ji Ewrûpayê dihat Turkiyê, ji Turkiyê dihat vê derê, ji vê derê derbasî Helebê dibû. That was it, it would come from Europe to Turkey, from Turkey it would come here, and from here it would cross into Aleppo.
Rêka trênê ji ku heta ku ye? From where to where is the train route?
Ji vir digihêje Stenbolê. From here, it reaches Istanbul.
Ji vir, heta Stenbolê. From here, all the way to Istanbul.
Ji vir digihêje Wanê. Turkiyê giş dixe rê, rêyên ku li Turkiyê hene, dixe bi ser wê rêtê. From here, it reaches Van. It connects all of Turkey, the routes that exist in Turkey, it connects to that route.
Bi ser vê rêyê, rêya trênê a? Onto this route, the train route?
Aywa. Ev rêka wê derê, van rêyên ha gişan bi hev ve girê dide yanî. Yes. This route there, connects all of these routes together.
Tirkiyê bi Efrînê ve girêdide. Û di Sûriyê de li kîjan muhafezeyan derbas dibe? It connects Turkey to Afrin. And in Syria, which governorates does it pass through?
Tirkiye tek yek e. Rêk yek e. Lê di Tirkiyê de pir in ew rêyên wê. Bêrî da dixe Islahiyê. Turkey is just one. The route is one. But in Turkey, there are many of those routes. Ahead, it heads into Islahiye.
Belê. Yes.
Li Islahiyê bela dibe. Rêyek ber bi çiya ve diçe û bela dibe rêyên trênê. In Islahiye, it branches out. A route goes towards the mountain and the train routes branch out.
Û di Sûriyê de digihêje kîjan muhafazeyê rêka trênê? And in Syria, which governorate does the train route reach?
Di Sûriyê de jî, digihêje Helebê. In Syria too, it reaches Aleppo.
ne dima, jê ra çêkirina... bixwe rêyeke hicazê dibêjinê evê. It didn't take long to build it... actually they call this the Hejaz railway.
E hicaz e. Yes, it is Hejaz.
E, hicaz ji wê ra hebû. Yes, there was Hejaz for it.
Bes rêya wê ev tengtir bû. Neqil çêdibû, çawa dibû, em wer nizanin. But its track was narrower. How the transportation happened, how it was, we don't know exactly.
Belê. Yes.
Navê wê mehetê li Heleb jî heye, teb'en Bexdad heye. Navê wê mehetê, mehetê Bexdadê ye. It has the name of Aleppo's station. Of course, there is Baghdad. The name of the station is Baghdad station.
Heta noka di Efrînê ra derbas dibin? Diçûn, tu çûyî? Did they pass through Afrin until recently? Did they go, did you go?
Git vira diçûn rê xêdi wê teng e. They went there, but its road is narrow.
Belê. Yes.
Git vira diçûn. They went there.
Çi carî we li trênê rûniştin yan tiştekî wisa? Em bêjin kesê ku, xelkê gund diçû? Did you ever sit on the train or something like that? Let's say, did the village people go?
Em, wele, diçûn. Pênc, sibe saet şeş nîvê derdiket, sê û nîvê li Helebê difitilî. Belê, ew me... rê hebû ev trên... Well, we did go. We left at five, six thirty in the morning, and we returned to Aleppo at three thirty. Yes, that is us... there was a road for this train...
Çi wextî sekinî lê? When did it stop here?
Wellehî... di ehdasên Sûriyê da... Piştî ku muşkîleyên Sûriyê çêbûn, ev trêna kok sekinî. Bê deh şanzdeh sal e teqrîben... Erê... By God... during the events in Syria... After the problems in Syria happened, this train completely stopped. It's been roughly ten to sixteen years... Yes...
Rêka trênê wekî berê xirab bûye? Ne hatine hilkirin, ne hatine xirab kirin, e? Did the train tracks get destroyed like before? Were they not removed, not destroyed, huh?
Na, gih hilkirin e, û gih xirab bûye û... tişt nîne rêkê. No, some of it was removed, and some of it was ruined and... there's nothing on the track.
Beriya wê, nagotin wê dîsa çêkin, wê çê nekin...? Before that, didn't they say they would rebuild it, they wouldn't rebuild it...?
Wa dibêjin lêjneyên li Tirkiyê tên, her wextî ku tên... They say the delegations in Turkey are coming, every time they come...
Belê. Yes.
Dibêjin em ê kêşî da... bi fitilînin ew rêkê wekî berê. Em ê kêşî da bixebitin... ew dibêjin. Tên seyran dikin û diderin û nêzîk in jî bi xwe dibînin. Rêkê me ber hudûd ra, heta berî Raco ye. They say we will pull it... so that we can restore that track like before. We will pull it to work on it... they say. They come, look around and leave, and they are close too, they see it themselves. Our track passes by the border, until before Raco.
Em bêjin gundê we... wekî berê fîtilî, we çêdikir. Çi fêdeya xwe li gundî heye, li ser gundî we heye? Let's say your village... if it returns to how it was before, and you rebuild it. What benefit does it have for the village, for your village?
E, fêdeya xwe pir e... milet berî gişt, şixulê xwe ev der e, trên didera, tiştekî xwe biba Helebê difirot, çi ne bi trênê dianîn... Naql erzan e, pir erzan e barê wan. Well, its benefits are many... the people first of all, their work is here, the train was leaving, if they took something to Aleppo they sold it, whatever they brought it by train... Transportation is cheap, their load is very cheap.
Çiqas pere têne dayîn? Yanî, tu û malbata xwe weha, hûn diçûn, hûn diçûn...? How much money is given? I mean, you and your family like this, you were going, you were going...?
Çi peret nîne... î dudu qut dikirin... sê qut dikirin... qeçax jî xwe nedikirin... Misaede pir bû. There is no money... they were issuing two... they were issuing three... they weren't even smuggling... There was a lot of help.
Yanî, bi çiqasî bû? Bi çiqasî bû yanî? I mean, for how much was it? For how much was it, I mean?
Yanî, her mîrîk, deh pêncî bû. I mean, for each person, it was fifty or so.
Deh pêncî reqem Sûrî ye? Fifty or so Syrian liras?
Belê. Û berî wê hîn erzan bû. Bi pêncî jî diçûn... û bi du waraqên nîvekê jî diçûn... Yanî, pir erzan bû, nesba xetê... Yes. And before that, it was even cheaper. They would go for fifty too... And they would go for two and a half bills too... I mean, it was very cheap, compared to the route...
Em bêjin, em niha di vî derî derkevin Helebê, çend saet em li rê dimînin? Let's say, if we leave from here to Aleppo right now, how many hours will we stay on the road?
Pir dimîne... Çimkî... ne mîna me diderketin... Li mehetê disekine, tebdîl çêdibe, guherînên trênê çêdibe. It takes a lot of time... Because... they weren't leaving like us... It stops at the station, there's an exchange, train changes happen.
Belê. Yes.
Feqî nabe deqîqe, yanî qut dike, yanî dibe nêtiyê te... ne mîna me xeta... mumkîn e tu herî trênêk... ji Helebê diderte. Tu li wê mehetê bisekinî... heta hewa diderte, menî rêk yek daye. Rêk yek e lewma neda da... belê. There isn't a difference of a minute, meaning it cuts it, meaning it takes your intention... not like our line... it's possible you go to a train... it leaves from Aleppo. You wait at that station... until the weather clears, meaning the road gave one. It's one road, therefore it didn't give... yes.
Em axirîn naha wekî fêdeyekî wî danî... erzan e... û xeyrî wê, çi fêdeya xwe mumkin e ku... bêjin... We finally now put it like a benefit of it... it's cheap... and besides that, what benefit of it is it possible that... they say...
Fêdeya xwe, milet ji vir lê diçû... ji Tirkiyê dihatin. Hinek diçûya xur diderketin... Hinek şekir xur diderketin, bar... karê xwe hebû, yanî milet diçû Tirkiyê... Its benefit, the people used to go there from here... they used to come from Turkey. Some used to go out for themselves... Some used to bring sugar for themselves, cargo... they had work, I mean the people used to go to Turkey...
Jî fêdeya xwe hebû, yanî. Şixul çêdibû. Yes.
Jî fêdeya xwe hebû, yanî. Şixul çêdibû. It also had its benefit, I mean. Work was being created.
Em bêjin, siyah de dihatin, ne dihatin, bi vî derî da...? Let's say, tourists, did they come, did they not come, through here...?
Dihatin... feterê paşê Îranî jî hatin... They were coming... a period later the Iranians came too...
Hm. Hm.
Feterê paşê yanî, wekî pênc-şeş sala Îranî dirafirotin. Heta wê derê diçûn... Li wê derê trên xwe disekinand, li wê derê derbas dibûn. Rêkên genda dî jî anîn... we derê Îranî jî teqrîben dihatin... A period later I mean, like five-six years, the Iranians were selling money. They would go up to there... There the train stopped itself, there they were crossing. They brought other corrupted paths too... there the Iranians were approximately coming...
Hm. Hm.
Siyah jî hebûn. Îtalî hebûn, meselan, fransî hebûn, îngilîz hebûn, alman hebûn... There were tourists too. There were Italians, for instance, French, English, Germans...
Ê naha ne dihatin vê derê, çi dikirin xelkê? And now they didn't come here, what were the people doing?
Digeriyan xura li ewkê Heyder Paşa, meheta Heyder Paşa li Stenbolê ye... li wê derê milet di nîşt, keyfî dihat. Îşê xwe... ecil e trên bi xwe hêwaş diherre. Xura didîtin seyr dikirin menazir a, da her yek jî çi dirre em nizanin. They were wandering around for themselves at that Haydar Pasha, Haydar Pasha station is in Istanbul... there the people got off, they were enjoying it. Their work... is urgent, the train itself goes slowly. They were seeing for themselves, they were watching the sceneries, and where each one goes, we don't know.
Dibe hinek dihatin menateq e seyr dikirin, dibe hinek dihatin merar e nizanin... da siyah e pir diçû, jiber ku dihatin da tiştek nema... Maybe some were coming to the regions and watching, maybe some were coming to the cave, they don't know... so there were a lot of tourists going, because they were coming, nothing was left...
Û gundî wa zatan... bi navê... bi riya trênê hate nas kirin? And that villager already... by the name... was recognized through the train road?
Bi riya trênê hate nas kirin Meydan Ekbez. Meydan Ekbez was recognized through the train road.
Em bêjin piştî ehdasên Sûriyê çêbû û ev dî... wezî wa çawa bû? Ba'd rêka trênê kutibû... Let's say after the events of Syria happened and this again... how was that situation? After the train road fell...
Wez'... naha wa di... heta noka dûxirî nabe yê... Situation... now... until now it hasn't turned back...
Hm. Hm.
Wezî ma û noka... tiştên jarkê... salek e ew virda Heleb vebûye... Şam vebûye... çi kem wa hesîn e navê de. Our situation and now... the difficult things... it's been a year that Aleppo opened this way... Damascus opened... what a small amount we feel in it.
Em herin ser... yanî karê... em bêjin daxil im em daxil e... wexta trêk nîne...? Let's go to... I mean work... let's say I'm involved, we are involved... when there's no track...?
Tişt nîne... heta noka tişt tune me'dûm e. Heta noka tişt tune. Şixul tune yanî, em... barîkî jûrve jî qezeb e yê, jêrve jî... Tişt nîne. Nê baran e nê bîstan e nê nê nê tişt tune ye. There is nothing... until now there is nothing, it's non- existent. Until now there is nothing. There is no work I mean, we... the load upwards is disastrous too, downwards too... There is nothing. There is no rain, there is no orchard, no no no nothing is there.
Milet pir yanî... pir zeîf e. Nahiye meddî... milet pir zeîf e. Zilzale jî çêbû lê derê... heta noka... xanîne pên... peqîne nedikarin xwe tî derînin. The people are very I mean... very weak. Financial district... the people are very weak. An earthquake happened there too... until now... the houses are five... they are cracked, they can't get themselves out of it.
Ji ber zilzalê? Because of the earthquake?
Ji ber zilzalê... nêko de xana çêkin na xera bikin na çêkin na... ewcî li xwe heyirî ne. Yê yê qop e tune ye, yê yê pencer e tune, yê dîwar xera bûye... Because of the earthquake... they shouldn't build houses, no, they shouldn't destroy, no, they shouldn't build, no... they are amazed at themselves too. That one has no roof, that one has no window, that one's wall is ruined...
Belê. Edî ew jî li xwe heyirî ne heta noka. Çiqas hejmara... malîngên te? Yes. So they are amazed at themselves until now too. What is the number of... your families?
Wele di ser sêsed hefte malî ye... Well, it's over three hundred and seventy families...
Sêsed hefte mal. Û çiqas kes lê vî derî dijîn naha? Three hundred and seventy families. And how many people live in this place now?
Teqrîben... em kanim bêjin kî dizane diste olyê de hey bes... nîvê xwe li vir ne, nîvê li Helebê ne... istîqrar nê li vir heye nê li wir heye yanî. Dibe em niha li vir bixebitin, de em were... şixul wir jî tune ye tên vir derê... Approximately... we can say who knows two hundred families are there but... half of them are not here, half are in Aleppo... there is no stability here nor there I mean. Maybe we work here now, so we come... there is no work there either, they come here...
Li vir jî çend roj e diderin de... zevî hebin de zevî jî noka tune ne... heta pir bîr jî hişk bîne li vir derê. Here too for a few days they go... if there are fields, and there are no fields now too... even many wells have dried out here.
Ma gû ava... ave we... ji ku derê tê? So feces water... your water... where does it come from?
Ew der e, dûr şerme meço ye, vî derê kur tê. Bidemek bes bîr olî diderxin. That place, it's far shame it goes, it comes deep here. For a while they only dig wells.
Wekî me noka me bîr li vir xistiye, meselan, bacen der mindi bace nedîne bi berekî çû... Like we now have struck a well here, for example, the tax goes out there if they don't give the tax it went with a stone...
Naha tu wekî dizanim... Now you as I know...
Gotin ku gundê Meydan Ekbez ev... ev din ne ji Efrînê... ev din ji cîhekî din tê...? They said that the village of Meydan Ekbez this... this religion is not from Afrin... this religion comes from another place...?
Ji... eva me gişt li Tirkiyê tê. Em li vir va nêzîkin e hawnê li xafî nê ma... boyî me dîsa li vir e tê, uksîjîn, ekil ko wa li xerî war zate rête ne. From... all of ours comes to Turkey. We are close here, the shelter is not hidden... it comes back for us here again, oxygen, food that the stranger is already pouring out.
Zivistanê cemo sor e germ e? In winter is the freeze red hot?
Zivistanê sor e hawînê xwe jî pir germ e. In winter it's red hot, its summer is very hot too.
Belê. Spasiya te dikim... Yes. I thank you...
Ser çava hela wesehla batinê we ser serî min saatê we xweş li qenalî we ra jî, li xizmetkarî we re jî roziye xwe bin. On eyes, welcome to your inside, on my head, your time is pleasant, for your channel too, for your servants too, be your daily provision.
Belê, temaşevanên me yên hêja, naha em li cihekî ne, cihekî gelekî kevn e, li navenda gundê Meydan Ekbez e. Evê jî re dibêjin, riya trênê. Yes, our dear viewers, now we are in a place, a very old place, in the center of Meydan Ekbez village. They call this too, the train road.
Heva di bajarê Efrînê da ye. Berê divederiya trên diçûn û dihatin. This is in the city of Afrin. In the past, trains used to go and come in this place.
Salê hezar û neh sed û deh û sîh yan da ev riya hate çêkirin. Teba'en em bêjin trên, ji Helebê derdiket dihat, diçû Şamê, diçû Stenbolê, Tirkiyê û diçû Îslahiyê. In the year one thousand nine hundred and ten or thirty this road was built. Of course let's say the train, it used to depart from Aleppo and come, it used to go to Damascus, it used to go to Istanbul, Turkey and it used to go to Islahiye.
Teba'en trêna vî derî, em kanî bêjin ku trênekî tîcarî bû. Karê tîcarî dikir, û milet jî e vî derî, lê dinîştin û diçûn. Of course the train of this place, we can say that it was a commercial train. It was doing commercial work, and the people too from this place, sat on it and went.
Li aliyekî din vî aliyekî, mexferek hebû... mebniyê hîcrî û cawazat hebû. Li aliyekî din jî li vî derî, heva wê re dibêjin mehete... cîhê trênê bî. On another side of this side, there was a police station... there was an emigration and passport building. On another side too in this place, this weather they call it station... it was the place of the train.
Bî muwazefîn tê da hebûn, der tê da hebûn, ev ciya cihekî gelekî kevn e di bajarê Efrînê da. There were employees in it, doors were in it, this place is a very old place in the city of Afrin.
Merheba xaltî. Hello auntie.
Ehlen wesehlen. Welcome.
Etenas bikim, navê te bi xêr? Let me know you, your name please?
Sureya Mistefa ma. I am Sureya Mistefa.
Belê. Ji gundê Meydan Ekbez î? Yes. Are you from Meydan Ekbez village?
E, li vî derî me. Min ji vir mêr kiriye. Yes, I am from this place. I got married from here.
Belê. Kû jmer re xeber di, tu çi karî dikî heva, ev çî ye? Yes. So talk to me, what work are you doing here, what is this?
Ey mîloxiye çêdikim. Oh I am making mulukhiyah.
Mîloxiye çêdikî. Vê mîloxiya te ji kû aniya? You are making mulukhiyah. Where did you bring this mulukhiyah of yours from?
Wele, şe'ba gundî li bar evê çandibî, me ji cem gundî bir. Well, the village folk had planted it over there, we took it from the village folk.
Aaa... yanî ev naha li vî derî li gund diçînin mîloxiye? Ahhh... so now in this place in the village they plant mulukhiyah?
E... Yes...
Belê. Naha piştî te ev mîloxiye naha çêkir, tu yê çi bikî doro? Yes. Now after you made this mulukhiyah now, what are you going to do around it?
Ez ê hişk bikim... paşê ro zim doro kem... yanî mûnê hilînim... I will dry it... later on I will collect it... I mean I will store provisions...
E naha tu çêdikî ko piçkî pêş me ke, tu çawa jê radikî, dikî? Naha ev a dark e... Yes now you are making it so do a little for us, how do you pick it, do it? Now this is a stick...
E, tu kêş dor kî jî kî, keş pel o jî kî, tike pal o jî kî. Yes, you pull it around, pick it, pick the leaf from it, put it resting and pick it.
Palîkî da... Resting...
Têkî hon va bikî... You do it like this...
Çiqas wext ba xwe dibe heta wek tu xilas kî? How much time does it take for yourself until you finish like this?
Gê milet pir be, saetekê diduya tev de ra xelas be. Gê hindik be jî wê berxwe bide, heta yekê duduya we rîn naha. If there are a lot of people, in an hour or two they all finish. If there are few too it will take its time, up to one two of you sitting now.
Naha ev a ku hişk bibe, çiqasî... em dibêjin, çiqasî derdikeve... hişk bibe... Now this if it dries, how much... we say, how much comes out... if it dries...
Wele nizanim waq sê çor kîlo ê derkevî, tiştek e. Well I don't know, about three four kilos will come out, it's something.
Ê derkevî... ev yê... It will come out... this is...
E. Yes.
me li vî zeytûnê dî, me li xweşiya gundê we û tiştên we li wan xweşkiya dî. We saw the olives, we saw the beauty of your village, and we saw those beautiful things.
Spasiya we dikim... gundê me dewlemend e... gundewar e, gundekî gelekî baş e. Thank you... our village is rich... it's a rural area, a very good village.
Spasiya te dikim xaltîkê. Destê te sax bin. Thank you, aunt. Bless your hands.
Ê we jî sax bin. Saeta we jî xweş. Bless you too. Have a good time.
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Temaşevanên me yên hêja, naha em hatin gundê Meydan Ekbez. Our dear viewers, now we have come to the village of Meydan Ekbez.
Hunermend û dengbêjê navdar ê Efrînê, Ekkaş Dildar... The famous artist and singer of Afrin, Ekkaş Dildar...
Ev mala kê ye? Wê ye? Whose house is this? Is it his?
Li vê derê ye, neviyê Ekkaş Dildar e, ew li vê derê ye. He is here, the grandson of Ekkaş Dildar, he is here.
Me bihîst ku ew jî dengxweş e. We heard that he also has a beautiful voice.
Me xwest em wî nas bikin û me xwest em Ekkaş Dildar jî bibînin. We wanted to get to know him, and we wanted to see Ekkaş Dildar as well.
Spasiya me jê re heye. Lê gotin ku ew ne li vir e, mixabin. We send him our thanks. But they said he is not here, unfortunately.
Merheba. Hello.
Ehlen û sehlen. Welcome.
Em te nas bikin? Can we get to know you?
Navê min Dildar e. Ji gundê Meydan Ekbezê me. My name is Dildar. I am from Meydan Ekbez village.
Tu neviyê Ekkaş Dildar î? You are the grandson of Ekkaş Dildar?
Erê ez neviyê Ekkaş Dildar im. Emrê min hivdeh sal e. Yes, I am the grandson of Ekkaş Dildar. I am 17 years old.
Me bihîst ku tu dengxweş î, dengê te xweş e. We heard that you sing well, that your voice is beautiful.
Erê. Yes.
Te çawa ew alimî? How did you learn it?
Welleh, min ji kalê xwe dît, klam û kilam digot... Well, I saw it from my grandfather, he used to sing songs...
Çi wextî te pê hesiya yan kêf pê anî ku dengê te xweş e? When did you realize or feel happy that you have a beautiful voice?
Bi Xwedê, şevan wexta bavê min klam digotin me li cem hev rûdinişt, min dest pê kir. I swear, the nights when my father sang songs and we sat together, I started.
Yanî em dikarin bibêjin tu mîras rakir ji malê? So we can say that you inherited this from your family?
Erê. Yes.
Hûn çend bira ne? How many brothers are you?
Em yek bira ne, û sê xwîşk in. I am the only brother, and I have three sisters.
Em dixwazin tiştekî ji te bibihîzin. We want to hear something from you.
Tu yê çi ji klamên kalê xwe Ekkaş Dildar ji me re bibêjî? What will you sing for us from the songs of your grandfather, Ekkaş Dildar?
Ê kalê min... From my grandfather...
Dê bila. Em bibihîzin. Alright then. Let's hear it.
Felek bes e, derî veke li pêşiya derdan Fate, enough, open the door to the sorrows
Kula ji canê min derketiye şitla vî derdan The wound coming out of my soul is the root of these sorrows
Te vebiriye navê min û te vedaye şevan You have cut off my name and echoed it in the nights
Li dora xwe ez nabînim heval û cîran I do not see any friends or neighbors around me
Felek bes e, derî veke li pêşiya derdan Fate, enough, open the door to the sorrows
Kula ji canê min derketiye şitla vî derdan The wound coming out of my soul is the root of these sorrows
Te vebiriye navê min û te vedaye şevan You have cut off my name and echoed it in the nights
Li dora xwe ez nabînim heval û cîran I do not see any friends or neighbors around me
Felek bes e, te ji mi xeyr e girtî riya min Fate, enough, you have closed my path with adversity
Te bextê reş yazî kiriye li ser eniya min You have written a black destiny on my forehead
Derdê vê dinyayê te tevda xistî barê min You have put all the sorrows of this world on my burden
Ev xerîbiya tehl û zor e, nabe warê min This bitter and hard exile, it won't become my homeland
Sûcê min çiye, ez bêmal û bê war û cî me What is my crime, I am without a home, a homeland, and a place
Ji diyarê bav û kalan her dem bê çar im I am always helpless far from the land of my ancestors
Li vê derê çav li rê me, ey vî dil dax e I am waiting on the road here, oh this burning heart
Efrîna min warê min e, ez nabim nabim My Afrin is my homeland, I will not be away from it
Maşallah. Gelekî xweş e. Spasiya te dikim. Mashallah. It's very beautiful. I thank you.
Pirsine min ji te heye. I have a question for you.
Tu klaman bi tenê yên kevin dibêjî? Ger em bêjin naha tu bixwe stranan binivîsî an çêkî, qabiliyeta te heye? Do you only sing the old songs? If we say you should write or compose songs yourself now, do you have that ability?
Na, ez heta niha stranan bi xwe çênakim, ez tenê stranên berê dibêjim. No, I don't compose songs myself until now, I only sing the old songs.
Di pêşerojê de tu çi difikirî? Tu dixwazî dakevî qada hunerê û weke dengbêjekî dewam bikî? What do you think about the future? Do you want to enter the field of art and continue as a singer?
Welleh ez dixwazim mîna kalê xwe bibim stranbêj, di vê rê de herim. Well, I want to become a singer like my grandfather, and follow this path.
Em hêvî dikin tu di vê rêyê de serkeftî bî. We hope you succeed in this path.
Te qet derketiye dawet û şahiyan û te klam gotine? Have you ever gone out to weddings and parties and sung songs?
Na, tu carî ez derneketime. Tenê ahengekî hevalê min hebû min stranek tê de gotibû. No, I never performed. Only a friend of mine had a party and I sang a song there.
Em dixwazin tiştekî din jî ji te bibihîzin, eger te amade kiribe. We want to hear something else from you, if you have prepared it.
Erê. Yes.
Wa çavên te yê şêrîn şêrîn, çiqas esîr min kir Oh your sweet sweet eyes, how they enslaved me
Ketime eşqa te lê, min xwe ji bîr kir I fell in love with you, I forgot myself
Wa çavên te yê şêrîn şêrîn, çiqas esîr min kir Oh your sweet sweet eyes, how they enslaved me
Ketime eşqa te lê, min xwe ji bîr kir I fell in love with you, I forgot myself
Ji bona te yarê, çavê min xew nake Because of you my love, my eyes can't sleep
Ez rûniştim yarê, min gazî te kir I sat down my love, I called out to you
Ji bona te yarê, bi min pir zor e Because of you my love, it's very hard for me
Ez ê dimirim ji derdan, yarê te ne xema ye I will die from sorrow, my love, you don't care
Wa çavên te yê şêrîn şêrîn, çiqas esîr min kir Oh your sweet sweet eyes, how they enslaved me
Ketime eşqa te lê, min xwe ji bîr kir I fell in love with you, I forgot myself
Wa çavên te yê şêrîn şêrîn, çiqas esîr min kir Oh your sweet sweet eyes, how they enslaved me
Ketime eşqa te lê, min xwe ji bîr kir I fell in love with you, I forgot myself
Dûrbûna te yarê, bi min pir zor e Your absence my love, is very hard for me
Ez ê dimirim ji derdan, yarê te ne xema ye I will die from sorrow, my love, you don't care
Dûrbûna te yarê, bi min pir zor e Your absence my love, is very hard for me
Ez ê dimirim ji derdan, yarê te ne xema ye I will die from sorrow, my love, you don't care
Maşallah, gelekî xweş e. Spasiya te dikim. Mashallah, it is very beautiful. I thank you.
Û hêviya serkeftinê ji te re dixwazim... spasiya te dikim, oxir be. And I wish you success... thank you, goodbye.
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Temaşevanên me yên hêja, naha em hatin çarşiya gundê Meydan Ekbez. Our dear viewers, now we came to the bazaar of Meydan Ekbez village.
Em hatin, me dît xelk li vir rûniştî ne. Extiyar, rûsipiyên gund li vir in... Me xwest em werin cem wan, silav bidin û em nas bikin ka çi dikin. We came and saw the people sitting here. The elders of the village are here... We wanted to come to them, greet them and get to know what they are doing.
Merheba xalo. Merheba. Hello uncle. Hello.
Ahlan, merheba. Welcome, hello.
Çawa yî, çawa ye halê we? How are you, how are you doing?
Hemd ji Xwedê re, şikir. Praise be to God, thanks.
Me xwest em werin silavekê bidin, em programkê dikişînin. Me xwest em werin silav bidin we. We wanted to come and give a greeting, we are shooting a program. We wanted to come and greet you.
Ahlan we sehlen. Welcome.
Xalo, kî dikare ji me re behsa gund bike? Hûn rûsipiyên vî gundî ne. Uncle, who can tell us about the village? You are the elders of this village.
Welleh ruhê min, em kêm dizanin... Well my dear, we know little...
Ev dizane. He knows.
Em kanin biçin hinekî li wir rûnin? Can we go and sit there a bit?
Kerem bike. Please go ahead.
Xalo te çend sal in li vî gundî rûniştî yî? Uncle, how many years have you lived in this village?
Temenê min nod e. My age is ninety.
Belê. Yes.
Heştê û pênc sal in ez li vir rûniştî me. I have lived here for eighty-five years.
Heştê û pênc sal e tu li vî gundî yî. You have been in this village for eighty-five years.
Belê, em li Meydan Ekbez bûn... Zemanê Îngilîzan, Fransizan em li Meydan Ekbez bûn. Yes, we were in Meydan Ekbez... In the time of the British, the French, we were in Meydan Ekbez.
Heştê û pênc sal e em hatine vî gundî rûniştine. It has been eighty-five years since we came to live in this village.
Tu xelkê vî gundî yî? Are you from this village?
Na me li vir rûnişt. No, we settled here.
Na, te got tu li devereke din dijî, yanî tu li kuderê bûyî? No, you said you lived somewhere else, so where were you?
Em di gundên derdorê de bûn, em hatin li vir rûniştin. We were in the surrounding villages, we came and settled here.
Ev hemî heval û dostên te ne, hûn hevdu nas dikin? Are all these your friends and buddies, do you know each other?
Hey welleh, em çûçik bûn me hev nas dikir. Oh by God, we were kids when we knew each other.
Wextê hûn biçûk bûn we hev nas dikir? You knew each other when you were little?
Belê, ev ji min mezintir e. Yes, he is older than me.
Te gelek qonax dîtine... jiyana te çawa derbas bû wextê berê? You have seen many phases... how did your life pass in the old days?
Emrê xwe de min pir tişt dîtine... Zemanê emrê min de em Îngilîz û Firansî dîtin. I have seen many things in my life... In the time of my life, we saw the British and the French.
Belê. Yes.
Paşî dewlet çêbû. Then the state was formed.
Dewleta Sûriyê. The state of Syria.
Dewleta Sûriyê çêbû, di sî û şeşan, sî û heştan de çêbû. The state of Syria was formed, it was formed in thirty-six, thirty-eight.
Di wê re dî derbas bû... dewlet rûnişt, gelek perîşanî û şer çêbûn heta we noka axiriya me... em rûniştin di nava şeran de. After that, it passed again... the state settled, a lot of misery and wars happened until now, to our end... we lived through wars.
Belê xalo. Em dikarin navê te nas bikin? Te ji min re negot. Yes uncle. Can we know your name? You didn't tell me.
Welleh navê min Mihemed e... ez muwezefê teqa'ud im. Well my name is Mihemed... I am a retired employee.
Tu karmendê çi bûyî? What were you an employee of?
Karmendê teqa'ud ê wizarata mûwaselat. A retired employee of the Ministry of Communications.
Belê. Yes.
Temenê te gelek e, wextê berê gundê we û ya nuha... te çiqas cudahî dît? Your age is a lot, the old times of your village and now... how much difference did you see?
Di pêncî û diyan da ez ketime wizarata mûwaselat li Helebê. In fifty-two, I joined the Ministry of Communications in Aleppo.
Ez derketim Helebê... I went to Aleppo...
Gundê Meydan Ekbes. Xwendevanê wê na, gelek in. Em bêjin, bijîşk in, endazyar in... Meydan Ekbes village. The students there are many. We can say doctors, engineers...
Muhendisî jî hene. There are engineers too.
Tên bîra te, hinek nav, em bizanibin? Do you remember any names, so we can know?
Muhendis ziraî cema Ebû Şêro. Mennane. Agricultural engineer with us, Abu Shero. Mannane.
Ustad Mennane, Mihemed e... û kîna hebû. Mr. Mannan, Mihemed... and who else was there.
Doxtor jî hebûn cema. Ew jî doxtor beytarî... Rehmetî bû Ehmed Bêrem. There were doctors with us too. He was a veterinary doctor... The late Ehmed Berem.
Hene, pirr in... yanî hene û, welle... heta bekalorya pirr în. There are, there are many... I mean there are and well... even for baccalaureate there are many.
Û ew mîsalên, bê parêzer in, ger siyasetmedar in. And those examples, say lawyers, if they are politicians.
Welle mihemî cema, heyî. Well, there is a lawyer with us, yes.
Ene jim, ene xwendam, e tu tiştî nizanim. I'm among them, I'm a student, I don't know anything.
Ustad Mihemed heye... Lu'eyy heye... Bekî, şêrî di gundî. There's Mr. Mihemed... There's Lu'eyy... Beki, the lion of the village.
Mamoste Mihemed. Teacher Mihemed.
Ew mihemî ye. He is a lawyer.
Xwendevanên gund ji berê ne, lê derketine? The students of the village are from before, have they left?
Welle pirr derketin, neman li vir... ewe ku de, ew e, mihemî mane. Well, many have left, they didn't stay here... whoever was there, that's it, the lawyers stayed.
Em dibînin kîjan gundî, em dibînin, dibêjin ku, xwendevan nemane. We see whichever village we look at, they say the students are gone.
Xwendevanên gund, êdî difikirin û derdikevin, derin. The students of the village, they just think and leave, they go.
Çimkî ji ber in, wezîfe li vir tune ye, riyek, tişkî, çetîn e, zor zehmetî hene. Because of this, there are no jobs here, a path, something, it's difficult, there are many hardships.
Welle wezîfe hebû. Wezîfe cema... sikak heddîd hebû. Well, there were jobs. Jobs with us... there was the railway.
Sikikil heddîdê we hebûn. You had the railway.
Hebû... Sikek heddîd muwezefîn hebûn. We had... There were railway employees.
Û cema heq pat dewayê hukûmî jî hebû. Ecewcewaze And we also had the right to government offices. Passports.
Me dît, bes noka ku xerbî nedi te bi girtinê. We saw it, but now if they are ruined you don't take them.
Lê girtin e, bûn e... katin in. Ge aw kirin, ge şaftad in û e. They are closed, they have become... they are finished. Either they did that, either they shifted them.
Berî wey, tiştên hebû. Nîzamî bû? Before that, there were things. Was it systematic?
Nîzamî ye. Hic û cewazat. Cemarik hebûye. Systematic. Immigration and passports. Customs was there.
E... Emînel am hebû. Tirenî di... Ewkê... bi rê diçûyî de, hatê trenî Istenbolê... Heta Şamê diçû. There was... General security. The train in... There... was on the road, going to Istanbul... It went up to Damascus.
Wê şûn de, trene Îranê çêkirin. Ew jê rêkovê diçû hat de, diçû Xerb. After that, they built the Iran train. That also had passengers coming and going, it went to the West.
Trenêk me yawmî jî hebû. Dawihîk, me digotê, e... şoferê gund av in. Pirr. We also had a daily train. A suburb, we called it... the drivers of the village were there. A lot.
E... Diçûye Haleb da hat in. It... It went to Aleppo and came back.
Şofêrên trenê bûn? They were train drivers?
Xalo tu jê, da re şofêrê trenê yî jî. Biner e. Yes.
Xalo tu jê, da re şofêrê trenê yî jî. Biner e. Uncle, you were also a train driver. Look at that.
Ku jê em hatin ba wî, dît e. As we came to him, we saw.
Te çend rehlê derket û ku jê, salên te destpê kiribû vî meselê. How many trips did you make and since when did you start this?
Welle salî heştê û çaran ez ketim. Belê. Well, in the year eighty-four I joined. Yes.
Meha nehê, heştê û çaran ez ketim wezîfê. In the ninth month of eighty-four I got the job.
Haleb, me sê salan dewam kir, paşê em hatin gundê xwe. Aleppo, we worked for three years, then we came back to our village.
Em birên trenî me û... Rikov o jî hebû, şehn hebû. We were train drivers and... There were passengers too, there was freight.
Nîzamî ta tren diajo de, derdikeve. Systematically, you drive the train, it goes out.
Belê ustad. Yes, teacher.
Tu çawa hîn bûyî ajotina trenê? How did you learn to drive the train?
Welle, me e... em ev kir, dewre... dawre heye... wî şûn de, mahed sikek hebû. Ta xwendin. Well, we... we did this, a course... there is a course... after that, there was a railway institute. Until reading.
Te dewre dît. You took the course.
Na, mi mahed nexwend. No, I didn't study at the institute.
Paşê te mahed xwend? Then you studied at the institute?
Na, wextê me... ew mahed me ew kirîn tozwîf... me dewre kir, sê mehan... şeş mehan... wê şûn de muawinî sayaq şixulîn, paşê bûm şofêr. No, in our time... that institute we got employed... we did a course, for three months... six months... after that we worked as assistant drivers, then I became a driver.
Te çend salan şofêrî şuxulî e trenê? How many years did you work as a train driver?
Heştê û çara de heta 2016-an. From eighty-four until 2016.
Heta 2016-an. 2016-an, ev çi nehê. Until 2016. In 2016, what happened.
2016-an, em teqa'ud e. In 2016, we retired.
Teqaud bûye. De te derdikevin ku derê? Retired. So where do you go?
Me bîn e. Haleb û Meydan Ekbes, em dişixulîn. We saw it. We worked in Aleppo and Meydan Ekbes.
Kêm, em diçûn... Şam. Em sedi- Rarely, we went... Damascus. We...
Rojiya te, çend rehlê te hebûn û tu derdiketî? During your day, how many trips did you have and when did you go out?
Trenî me yomî hebû, birê rekov e. Şeş nîvan... derdikevê sibe. Seet sê û nîva jî, di Haleb derdikeve. We had a daily train, with passengers. Six thirty... leaving in the morning. At three thirty, it leaves from Aleppo.
Bêda, wê şûnda, hemûlat me rû, turkî fa da hat. Later, after that, all the cargo was taken from us, Turkish brought it.
Şehn, me digotî bitax e der. Hesp trenî me dihat, me şoxl dihat kir heta Halebê. Freight, we called it goods. A horse train came to us, we used to work up to Aleppo.
Maşeellah. Siheta te xweş. Mashallah. Bless your health.
Ewa ji ye xweş e, ehlen we sehlen. And yours too, welcome.
Sihet xweş xalo. Saet xweş xalo. Me te rahat kir. Bless your health uncle. Bless your health uncle. We made you comfortable.
Saeta we jî xweş, emî xweş dihatin. Bless yours too, we came happily.
Te jî xweş. Yours too.
Xwedê ji we razî be, li ser xêrê be, înşellah. May God be pleased with you, may it be for good, God willing.
Amîn. Amen.
Merheba xalo. Hello uncle.
Ehlen wa sehlen ser çavan. Welcome, you are upon my eyes.
Navê te bi xêr, em tenes bikin. Your good name, let's get acquainted.
Navê min Yasîn e. Ji Kûsa me. E taba'ê vê Meydan Ekbes, e yanî gundî dur e. Meydan Ekbes e. My name is Yasin. I am from Kusa. It's affiliated to this Meydan Ekbes, I mean it's a distant village. It's Meydan Ekbes.
Me dî te ewey dulax kiriye, tê re bi tê hindan l'nav erdê re, min go eze j'te pirs kim. We saw you wrapped up like this, walking through the field, I said I'll ask you.
Ekîd ewê te bi zir'etê re... çandinîyê ra heye. Çi tişkî j'mer' ser... çandiniyê vî derî deng ke? Surely you have something to do with agriculture... farming. What can you tell us about... the farming here?
Çandinê ji... ji berê da, li noka ecera em dênkin. Farming from... from before, now we will talk about the rent.
Wek tu dixwezî. As you wish.
Yanî ziraat li vê derê, zehmet bi... netîce çê ne, netîce ew e nû, zivistan pirr me kêm bû û aliyat tune bûne. I mean agriculture here, it was difficult... what happened in the end, the result was that, winter became very scarce for us and there were no vehicles.
Fê cûtarî heye bi, bi dewan şoxitîn, nedileheqandin. Yanî erdên pûrt di man, erdên, di çandin, yanî bi zora xwe pi îdare dikirin. So there was plowing with, working with animals, they couldn't catch up. I mean barren lands remained, lands, they planted, I mean they managed with their own strength.
Netîce... çîçkê a na, cefaf çêbû, derbû, erd ziha bûn, berê herî jî pirr bûn. As a result... little by little, drought happened, it happened, the lands dried up, before there were lots of mud too.
Alîyat jî derketin. Û miletê vê derê jî, ser nodê yanî de sedî, ge muzari in e. Machinery also came out. And the people of this place too, about ninety, I mean percent, are farmers.
Û em bibêjin, sedî sed jî muzari'in e. And we can say, one hundred percent are farmers.
Fê berê genim diçandin... meselen ceh diçandin. So before they used to plant wheat... for example they used to plant barley.
Eke çêkirî, şore ta xwe, kê em erdî ve. Deşt bûn lê çiya bûn? If you can, elaborate, let's talk about the land. Were they plains or mountains?
Deşt bûn, deşt bûn. They were plains, plains.
Deşt bûn. They were plains.
Deşt bûn, û çiya jî hene, bas çiyayê xwe nedikeva. Navê xwe Deşta Meydan Ekbes e. They were plains, and there are mountains too, but not its mountains. Its name is the Plain of Meydan Ekbes.
Belê. Yes.
Yanî deştek pirr ferehe û deştek pirr, îhtajî xwe jî rind e. Bas çîçkê, imkaniya milet zeîf e, di wê wextê jî zeîf bû. Nikanin esmîde bikirana, derman bikirana. Mûsem zêde nedihat. I mean a very wide plain and a plain full of, its produce is good too. But a bit, the people's means are weak, at that time it was weak too. They couldn't buy fertilizer, buy medicine. The harvest didn't yield much.
Te gote, te ge wa genim diçand? You said, you used to plant wheat?
Genim me diçand, me ceh diçandin. Garis berê diçandin. We planted wheat, we planted barley. They planted millet before.
E, wê tiştna, meanî pir idare bin. Pir bikin yanî. Berê fûrne tune bûne. Dar tune bûne, wekî nokana, meselen, nan heze nedikirin. Nan bi desta dikirin. Nokana te got firne tune bûn, aş heye biyanî. Yeah, those things, they mean a lot to manage. Do a lot, I mean. Before there were no ovens. There was no wood, like now, for example, they couldn't just get bread ready. They made bread by hand. Now you said there were no ovens, was there a mill?
Aş hebûn. Aş l' Bilbilê hebû... em diçûne Bilbilê, aşekî kevn bû, xwediyê gundê ermenî bû. Yanî berî vê bi sed salan. There were mills. There was a mill in Bilbil... we went to Bilbil, it was an old mill, the owner of the village was Armenian. I mean a hundred years ago.
Belê. Yes.
Û aşek jî li vê derê hebû, navê xwe Aşê Gûr e bû. L'ser avê bû. Av berê li vê derê, pirr bû. Gelî jî pirr bûn zivistan me kem bûn l'ser avê, aş dişoxulandin. And there was a mill here too, its name was Gûr Mill. It was on the water. Water was abundant here before. The valleys were full too, our winters were abundant, they worked the mill on the water.
Belê. Yes.
Yanî berê, miletê me diçû ye vê derê jî genim dehêrdin. Tebe'en, pere jî tune bûn, şûnî pereyo maselen, ard didanî. I mean before, our people would go here to grind wheat. Of course, there was no money either, instead of money for example, they gave flour.
Ha, yanî bi ecr am bêjin. Noko çû, çû pere tenê bî ma ev fehm nekir. Ha, I mean for a wage let's say. Now what, what money was it, I didn't understand.
Ev wa j'beje berî vê bi sed sed peynjî salî. This is going back one hundred and fifty years.
Ems destpêkekê ew hebîna ha? So the beginning was this being there, huh?
E, da wê dest... Û gundî me jî berî meydan ekbesê... yanî... pirr e, yanî, bi sedsalan e... Yes, that began... And our village too before Meydan Ekbes... I mean... is very, I mean, centuries old...
Hm. Hm.
Fe, pere tinebûn. 'Emlat tinebû. De... şûna, ewê, genim didanî, û ard didanî. Meselen, am bêjin sed kîlo bihêrada re, deha kîlo ar didanî, pir îcrî xwe dibir. So, there was no money. No currency. So... instead of that, they gave wheat, and they gave flour. For example, let's say to grind a hundred kilos, they gave ten kilos of flour, they took a lot of it for their wage.
Belê. Yes.
Û paşê jî alîyat derketin... milet bi ziraetê ket. Zeytûn çi wextî çandin? And then machinery came out... people got into agriculture. When did they plant olives?
Zeytûn... di keva... berî vê... teqriban bi şêst salî. Dest pê kirin. Û 'erz gî kirin zeytûn. Noka halîyen, l'sedî nû deştê Meydan Ekbes, gî... Olives... this goes back... almost sixty years ago. They started. And they turned the land entirely into olives. Now currently, about ninety percent of the Meydan Ekbes plain, all...
Zeytûn in. They are olives.
Zeytûn e. It's olives.
Û xeyrî zeytûna darên çîn hene? And besides olives, what other trees are there?
Welle, xeyrî zeytûnê, nîspî xwa pirr kêm e, tişt tine... na. Tiştî di naçan. Well, besides olives, the ratio is very small, there is nothing... no. They don't plant anything else.
Çima we darên din ne diçandin? Tenê we zeytûn çandina? Why didn't you plant other trees? You only planted olives?
Eqîdeyê xwe wisa bûn. Ca kî jî... zeytûn jî işt e, gotin, "Zeytûn, zeytûn, zeytûn." Their belief was like that. Wherever you go... olives are the thing, they said, "Olives, olives, olives."
Berê jî digot: "Zeytûnê ta tinebe, se, em tiştî nadin ta, em jina da, dîsan nadin ta." Before they used to say: "If you don't have olives, dog, we won't give you anything, we wouldn't even give you a wife."
Ha. Ha.
E, berê wana bî. Digotî: "Zeytûnê xwa hene, lê tine ta?" E tu... tuçûy... miletî... Û zeytûn jî munetîc bû. Yes, before it was like that. They said: "Do you have olives, or not?" So... you went... the people... And olives were productive too.
Karî xwaz, ribhî xwa jî hebû. Û mesrûfê xwe jî, na wekî meserîfê xwa jî, na wekî... Its work, it had its profit. And its expenses too, not like its expenses, not like...
E re... Yes...
Diçinê mezin, dibêjin diçê maserê... meqbûz, o dero. They go big, they say they go to the olive press... receipt, over there.
E, bes xalo, noko l'vê derê tiştek heye. Noka em zanin zeytûn, salek heye, salek tine. Av jî, hesêb nadikin ev tişt o? Yes, but uncle, now there is something here. Now we know olives, there is a year, there is a year without. Water too, they don't take these things into account?
E, walhe, hesêb dikirin. Noka, em niha noka... b'xwa hesabîne. Em dibînin me xêrê zeytûn çandin... em ziraetîn din jî dekin. Lê wek em zanin... Yes, by God, they accounted for it. Now, we are currently... accounting for ourselves. We see we planted the blessing of olives... we do other farming too. But as we know...
Belê, avî melumek b' qîmikin. Pirr xelk aye, na zanê, ew tiştî, zeytûn, darên zeytûnê hev e l'efrînê, bigiştî. Salek haye, salek ti naye. Yes, let's establish this information well. Many people don't know this, that olives, olive trees are common in Afrin, generally. There is a year they yield, there is a year they don't.
E arê arê, tab'en bimbarak e, genim... dihelînê, sa... Yes, yes, yes, of course it's blessed, wheat... they leave it, for...
Sa eke do xalo, dabe... bi zeytê ti helînî du salan j' demîne. Just like two uncles, let it be... with oil you leave it for two years it stays.
Temamen... ya nî am bi bîn,... f'eliyawê jî pirra. Meselen: Zeytê hêlîn, ti konê de... du sala jî, am xolîn a bo xwo e. Bi froşe... dervike. Û qorekî... ya nî, na çetin e... j'. Ne wakî de, zira'tê do re qutî do ba şoxle, zira'tî do. Exactly... I mean we see,... its effectiveness is high too. For example: Leave the oil, in the corner... for two years too, we use it for ourselves. You sell it... it covers you. And someone... I mean, it's not hard... from it. Not like that, your farming requires work, your farming.
Awalen, amwal grakin a, par a grakin a, semad grakin a, mûbîdat heşarîyê grakin. Ji, heta nîk ewê zira'tê. Bes, zeytûn tiştîn aw... First, capital is needed, money is needed, fertilizer is needed, insecticides are needed. Up to that agriculture. But, olives are something...
Ewe wî te ne mîsa... So you didn't, for example...
Zeytûn, mabarê ne, 'îlac de kirin a dî, hat a ko per, îlac jî na kin. Ye ne zeytûn û mûqawêm e j'. Olives, they didn't have, they used to treat them, now they don't even treat them much. Olives are resistant too.
Zeytûn jî ama dar in, daban? Olives are also trees, aren't they?
Wallah hemduleh, yat a, ov do rawda bin... ov do dar bikrî... rawda bin. Well, thank God, it is, with water they grow... with water trees grow... they grow.
Mûqawem ba j', ji garm ê ra, ji ser mî ran çîştî tî nawan aya. It's resistant too, to the heat, to the cold, nothing like that happens.
Wê? Is that so?
Ey, neho j', îşt e, nav zeytûnê da... di çînin, xayara de çînên, masele... di çînin... qirs be de çînin, kas bare de çînin, masele hebel bereqî d' çîn in. Yes, now too, well, among the olives... they plant, they plant cucumbers, for example... they plant... they plant parsley, they plant coriander, for example they plant watermelon.
Wona kamû zira't a, zeytûn a am de çînên. All of those are agriculture, we plant them among the olives.
Em bêjin li cem me niha.. fistiqa diçînin, fistiqên 'ebîd.. dar û vana naka ew a... berî vê bi şeş sala û heft sala û heşt sala naka vê ziraetê diçînin. Let's say in our area now... they plant peanuts, peanut trees and such... it's been six, seven, eight years now that they plant this crop.
Diçînin erdê boş e nav zeytûna cî. Yes.
Diçînin erdê boş e nav zeytûna cî. They plant it in the empty spaces among the olive trees.
Baş e. Çi diçînin ew, yê obî.. Alright. What do they plant, the irrigated ones...
Yê nav zeytûna bixwe cî îstîsmar dibe ne wekî mesela.. The space among the olive trees itself is also being utilized, not like for example...
Te zeytûn çand, te nikarî di nav de tiştekî dî biçînî mesela.. You planted olives, you cannot plant anything else among them, for example...
Mûsîmekî dî biçînî. Plant another crop.
Yanî du mûsîma tu jê qezenc dikî. Meaning you profit from two crops.
Belê. Obî ye, lê belê avê dî jî diçînin? Yes. It's irrigated, but do they irrigate it with water?
Av cî heye. Ava reş heye li vê derê, milet pir îstîfade jê dibîne. There is water as well. There is spring water here, people benefit from it a lot.
Erdê dibar re, b'ava reş av didin. Û bîr jî hene. They irrigate the dry land with spring water. And there are wells too.
Her erdekî naka bîrek li ser heye. Every piece of land now has a well on it.
Naka çûçikê cefaf çêbûye, bîr kêm bûne. Ê dîn cîranê e hebe, dide cîranê xwe. Now that a bit of drought has occurred, the wells have decreased. If a neighbor has some, they give it to their neighbor.
Ew îcare dikî, ew wilo didî. He rents it out, he gives it like that.
Xalê min, wek cotkar li vê derê, wek kar dikin nav erdê xwe de, nav bîstanê xwe baxçê xwe de.. My uncle, as a farmer here, as you work in your land, in your garden, your orchard...
Çi zor û zehmetî kampêja naka hûn dibînin? What difficulties and hardships do you face here now?
Welleh zor û zehmetî.. Well, difficulties and hardships...
Sûq ji me dûr e ewwelen. Firstly, the market is far from us.
Çawa şîn.. How so?
Belê. Yes.
Ge sûq dûr bî jî, li ser mûzari' pir dikelife. When the market is far, it costs the farmer a lot.
Bedelî mesela ticarek were li vê derê bikire radikî, Instead of a merchant coming here to buy it and take it,
Heta em digehan Efrînê.. berî em diçûn Helebê cî, Efrîn tinne bî. Until we reached Afrin... previously we used to go to Aleppo, Afrin wasn't an option.
Heta em digehaştin Helebê, bîda'î me xera dibî. Yanî difinî.. kifkî dibî. By the time we reached Aleppo, our goods would spoil. It would rot... get moldy.
Î niha çûçike sûq nêzîk in li Efrînê.. And now the markets are a bit closer in Afrin...
Dîsa jî zehmetî pir e. Teniştê.. But there are still many hardships. Besides...
Si'ir jî erzan e, nawafîne millet ro. The price is also cheap, it doesn't suffice for the people.
Ba'zî hinek diçînin, bi zirar.. yanî ekseriye bi zirar tê da ye. Some plant it, and end up at a loss... meaning there's mostly a loss in it.
Niha em werin mûsîmê çûye yê zeytûnan.. Now let's come to the past olive season...
Ez zanim wa ke zanim zeyt gelekî erzan bî? I know, as far as I know, the oil was very cheap?
Zeyt erzan bî, erê milet jî pir perîşan bî, erê. The oil was cheap, yes, and the people were very miserable, yes.
Û çixwa eve dî 'amale jî biha bîn û me'sere jî dibirin û em bêjin her kes yanî heqê xwe dibir. And besides, the labor costs were high, and the presses took their cut, and let's say everyone took their due.
Erê erê, yanî pir perîşan bîn. Yanî heta niha, Yes yes, meaning they were very miserable. Meaning even now,
Nasî zeytûna di beylê xwe.. pere di kin, cût dajo.. qut dikin.. da di kin.. For half of the olives... they spend money from their own pockets to plow, to prune, to harvest...
Yanî hema zirar e, ne tenê li ambe... Meaning it's just a loss, not only for us...
Yanî ha zirar an a.. ne tenê di.. li cem mabe nav çiyayê dîtin bî li cem.. gundî we cî wilo? Meaning it's a loss... not only here, but also in the other mountains, in your village as well?
Erê, erê. Berî vê.. bi di salan bi sed dîlar bî, sed û deh dîlaran bî. Yes, yes. Before this... two years ago it was a hundred dollars, a hundred and ten dollars.
Mûzari' rind kar lî zeytê dikir, niha jî îsal kûk daket, yanî heta çil dîlarî daket. The farmer used to make a good profit from the oil, but now this year it dropped completely, meaning it dropped down to forty dollars.
Belê. Yes.
Û niha jî çûçike beha bî, zeyt nema wa tişkî, çima bifroşin êdî. And now the price went up a bit, but there is no oil left, why would they sell it anymore.
Feqaret bîne dî bi çi wekê bifiroşe me'nî xwe ba'yîşîne. They've become poor, with what are they going to sell to make a living.
Te jimarê çirê ya me'serê kir. Te got zeytûn wa çandin, û di birin me'sere.. You mentioned the issue of the olive presses. You said they planted olives and took them to the press...
Berî me'sere cem we hebûn? Did you have presses in your area before?
Me'sere berî hebûn, We had presses before,
Ne ê hadîs bîn, They weren't modern,
Ne ê fenni bîn. They weren't technical.
Berî bi kevir a bî.. Before, it was with stones...
Hîn berî, xelkê... Even before that, people...
Dikir çewala di givişt, dikir bermîlan disefî, zeyt dikirin teneke. They would put it in sacks and press it, put it in barrels and filter it, and put the oil in tins.
Paşê ew e kevir a da ket. Then those stones emerged.
Fa li cem me niha.. So in our area now...
Teqrîben çar me'sere hene. There are approximately four presses.
Mekbes in yanî vî ra dibin mekbes. They are presses, meaning they call them "mekbes" (press).
Çar, pênc me'sere yê hene. We have four or five presses.
Naka gi ê fenni ne, hadîs in. Now they are technical, they are modern.
Her yêk şêst, heftê çewal rûyê çe dikî.. Each one processes sixty, seventy sacks...
Ew e ezab nema, yanî ew e zehmeta nema. That suffering is gone, meaning that hardship is no more.
Belê. Yes.
Yanî em di xwazin hîn şeş heft di çêbe ma'nî hema te mubaşereten bidî ew e bikî, lew nû çiqo mekbes rabe asîd ra dibe. Meaning we want six or seven more to be built so that you can directly give it and get it done, because the more it waits at the press, the acidity rises.
Gi asîd jî radibe, si'ir da dikeve. When the acidity rises, the price drops.
Belê. Yes.
Lew nû zeytûn kufkî bî sîr asîd da dikeve. Because if the olives get moldy, the acidity rises (drops in value).
Rû bî rû bî jî, asîd gi geşt.. When it sits for too long, the acidity rises...
Ew geşt.. ew aw.. niha zeyt cî ge bi şixute tiflî ro ro ba.. If it waits... if the oil burns, it rises above the pomace...
Heta çêşixitî heta ew 'eyştî şixitî radibe cî kufkî bî.. Until it burns, until it stays and burns and gets moldy...
Si'ir mesela gi bi sed dûlarî be, ewa kufkî bî wî de bî bi pêncî dîlarî naka. For example, if the price is a hundred dollars, the one that got moldy wouldn't even be fifty dollars now.
Belê. Yes.
Yanî mekbes in dî hebîn hîn fîde ye j'mûzarî ra. Û hîn kare. Yanî mûzarî pir zirare nakî. Meaning if there were more presses, it would be more beneficial for the farmer. And more profitable. Meaning the farmer wouldn't lose much.
Înşaeleh. Hopefully.
Em werin, te got sedî nud gundî we zeytûn tê de heye.. Let's come back, you said your village is ninety percent olive groves...
Em çiqas bêjin.. çiqas hektor erd a wî niha dar zeytûnan der keve, hejmara dar zeytûnan. How many, let's say... how many hectares of land is planted with olive trees now, the number of olive trees?
Welle teqrîben dibêm mîlunek hey... mîlunek zeytûn li vê deştê hey. Well, approximately I'd say there's a million... there's a million olive trees in this plain.
Dar zeytûnan. Olive trees.
Belê. Çiqas hektor erd teqrîben ew derkeve? Yes.
Belê. Çiqas hektor erd teqrîben ew derkeve? Yes. Approximately how many hectares of land would that be?
Yanî ti kê be he bi hezara hektar hene. Meaning there must be thousands of hectares.
Yanî her hektarekî heftê dar dikevê, Meaning every hectare fits seventy trees,
Şêst dar dikevê. Or sixty trees.
Î tu wê miqyas ke mîlonek çiqas hektar dikî ser. So you calculate that, how many hectares a million would make.
Zeytûnê cama wa gî Zeytî ne? yan Xelxal cî heye.. Are all the olives in your area of the Zeytî variety? Or is there Xelxal too?
Xelxal cî hene.. sûrranî cî kêm in. There is Xelxal too... and Surani is rare.
Hm. Hm.
Û Zeytî cî hene yanî.. And there is Zeytî too...
Belê. Yes.
Em dibên Zeytî, û Xelxal, û Sûrranî. Sûrranî pir xelk nî çînê. We say Zeytî, and Xelxal, and Surani. Not many people plant Surani.
Naka enwa'en dî der ketine di bîn nizam îtalî ne, nizam tirkî ne, nizam çi ne. Now other varieties have appeared, they say they are Italian, Turkish, or whatever.
Dî xelkî hedîs tînin di çîne, bas nisbekî kêm e yanî. Heta ew pîk i rîn in.. People bring modern ones and plant them, but it's a small percentage. Until they mature...
Bes exlebîye zeytî ye yanî. Û pir bîstan cî hişk bîne. But the majority is Zeytî. And many orchards have dried up.
Da'm zira'î jî tinne? Yanî yanî ji hukûmatê.. Is there no agricultural support? Meaning from the government...
Hikûmat ji naka işt nî.. bi tayî teşkîl eye, û berî jî kûk hikumet tinne bî.. There is nothing from the government now... it's newly formed, and before, the government wasn't here at all...
Tinne bî.. wey.. It wasn't there... wow...
Elê mûnezeman der da hatin çûçike da'm dikirin. Well, some organizations came and provided a little support.
Î ne bi wî şeklî yanî pirr.. yanî kofî mesela millet pî.. But not in a massive way... meaning enough for the people...
Pî ba'îştek der kê, yanî weke ez bêjim.. ji heştê gulek bî. To make a living off of it, meaning like I'd say... it was very little.
Em lî ser ava e.. germ bûnê... Let's talk about the... warming...
Lî ser germ bûnê... Eka ez zanam çiwa heqas e garm a te di bînim? About the warming... How do I know why it's so hot, what do you think?
Tû ba ev deşta berî da germ e.. yanî di cêrkê xuliq bî û e germ e. Xêr a netîca.. Look, this plain has always been hot... meaning since it was created it's been hot. The reason is...
Dorçêlî wê hemî çiya ne. It is completely surrounded by mountains.
Belê. Yes.
Yanî fetahat havayî ye tinin a. Fethî ba tinne. Meaning there are no air openings. There are no wind openings.
Ge menfez heba nisa.. bayê xerbî ba to. Bayê xerbî kû cuma tina kêm e yanî. If there were an opening, the western wind would come. The western wind that comes to us is very little.
Em bi mînin nisbê bayê xerbî di sedî bîst a.. If we look, the ratio of the western wind is twenty percent...
Î Şerqî.. di sedî heştê ya. And the eastern wind... is eighty percent.
Belê. Yes.
Bayê Şerqî jî pî.. And the eastern wind...
Yanî tişt ne bî. Xêr qûrba ya. Meaning it does nothing. It's just a dry wind.
Ne xêrî Şerqî.. ni bayê Şerqî yanî ti xêrekî miron na kê. Re... xerb, bayê xerbî ye rotûbe çêkî, dar çêdikî. The east has no goodness... meaning the eastern wind does us no good. The west, it's the western wind that creates humidity and grows the trees.
Ve ziraet pî di şu xul e.. dar pî di şu xul e.. Agriculture runs on it... trees run on it...
Niha ha.. halî dar pinar e yan wena dayî.. ga şewitiye yanî netîce vê germê. Now... look at the condition of the trees, or maybe you haven't seen... they are completely burned as a result of this heat.
Hm. Hm.
Vev netîca xwî yû ca va ca ce mîna.. So this is its result, and for example...
Baran lî vê derê, mesela ça qelem der di abî ya ti gîşîn ne wî abî, wa baran e.. Rain here, for example, is pulled by the surrounding areas, that water, that rain...
Lî vê derê yanî nisbî awe jî mesela baran jî kêm di keve. Bi çî da da re tin bo çayê Gevir do be çi mî sela çay kurd do.. Here, relatively, water, for example, rain also falls less. Compared to what falls on Gavur Mountain or Kurd Mountain...
Belê. Yes.
Veva heta ca xu ye yanî dur cî mî ce ya a fetha dî ba tinin wî me'nî.. pir germa wî deşto, navî vê re dibêjin deşta Hemqê. So this is its result, meaning we are surrounded by mountains, there are no wind openings, that is why this plain is very hot, they call it the Amik Plain.
Spasîye ta dikim xolo, spas dikim xwe li ta. I thank you, uncle, I thank you very much.
Lî wa e ez de was di kem û saeta wa xoş be. I thank you as well, and have a good time.
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Temaşevanen me yî hêja. Our esteemed viewers.
Niha em li mala xaltîka Munîre ne. Now we are at Aunt Munire's house.
Xaltîk xwest me îstîqbal kê û nanê sêlê, ji me ra çêkê. Auntie wanted to welcome us and make us "sêl" bread.
Gelekî camêr e, her kesek ku di vê derê re.. tiştekî çêdike, xwast bi vê tonî kanala Welat TV istiqbal kê. She is very generous, everyone who comes here... does something, she wanted to welcome the Welat TV channel in this way.
Dexwazim ji xaltîkê pirs bikim, ko çawa çêdikî. I want to ask auntie how she makes it.
Merheba xaltîk. Hello auntie.
Ehlen wa sehlen. Welcome.
Çawa yî? How are you?
Hemdullah.. baş e. Thank God... fine.
Destê te sax bin. Bless your hands.
Î te jî sax bin. Hûn hatin, ehlen wa sehlen. Bless yours too. You have come, welcome.
Alah îselmek xaltîk. May God protect you, auntie.
Te ji me ra çi tişt ji me ra niha çêdike? What are you making for us now?
Welle me ji we ra hevîr hazir kir. Min nan hazir kir. Min cîran li serê xwe kom kirin. Well, we prepared dough for you. I prepared bread. I gathered the neighbors around me.
Û em go em ê vana temam bikin. And we said we would complete these.
Saetê te xweş. Bless your time.
Î te jî xweş be. And yours too.
Çi wextî da nan dikî xaltîk? When do you bake bread, auntie?
Ez meş di nîva çûçik mam nan dikim. I have been baking bread since I was a little child.
Ez deh salî hebûm min nan dikir. I was ten years old and I used to bake bread.
Maşallah. Mashallah.
Tişkî 'alemî... Something extraordinary...
Berî jinan d'berî dikirin, ne? In the past, women used to do it in the past, right?
Lê, berî me.. sibeha zû zû.. di deh salan de hebû min dikir. Yes, before we... very early in the morning... I had been baking bread for ten years...
Fûrin tinne bîn na? There were no ovens, right?
Ha? Huh?
Fûrin tinne bîn. There were no ovens.
Lê welle fûrin tinne bîn. No, by God, there were no ovens.
Xêrê we çi karî din dikir xaltîk? What other work did you do, auntie?
Welle ew dem a kînan pez hebû ye, menda hebû, nîşt e.. me gelek tişt hebûn. Ê berê wisa bîn. Well, in those times we used to have sheep, we had livestock, meaning... we had many things. The old days were like that.
Me çêdikir. We used to make it.
Xaltîk heta niha ev ew.. di gundê we heye.. yanî nah te tenê di kê li jina gundî we cî dikin? Auntie, does this still... exist in your village... meaning, is it only you who does it, or do the women in your village do it too?
Na na, gih dikin welle yer mî.. em nabên naka fûre.. gi dikin. No no, they all do it, well... we don't say it's an oven now... they all do it.
E gih dibin gi dikin. Ta ci xî naka 'eceb nakî. They all take it, they all do it. Until you see it now, it's not a wonder.
Lê deh î tenikî maren gişt ew dikin. Yes, all the ten of those thin ones do it.
Naka ta hevîrê ta hawa çêkirî? Now you have made this dough like this?
Erê. Yes.
Te kirî cûmik? Te pa'n dikî? You made it into a ball? You flatten it?
Erê lê. Yes, yes.
Û serê sêlê a dibijêre ne? And you bake it on the "sêl" (griddle), right?
Erê.. lê.. Yes... yes...
Maşallah. Mashallah.
Ê kî we reqe wê ta.. ne kî bi wê? Which one of you flattens it for you... isn't it her?
Lê. Ê kê wa nabî lê.. Yes. Someone else can't do it...
Xaltîk jî li vê derê, hevîr distire, vê ra hewa.. genaşoşin dibêjin hevîrê sor... Ser ke hevîrê sor xaltîkî dike. Auntie is also kneading dough here, they call this... "genaşoşin" they call it red dough... look at the red dough auntie is making.
Merheba xaltîk. Hello auntie.
Ehlen wa sehlen. Welcome.
Te nas bikin? Can we get to know you?
Helîme navî min. My name is Halime.
Belê. Yes.
Hav e, hevîrê sor a? Genaşoş e? Is this... red dough? Is it "genaşoş"?
Erê. Yes.
Çi dikin.. we çû tê we çikirî yanî çû çê dikin? What do you do... what went into it, what did you put in, I mean what do you make?
Me çi çêkir, ev semîdê hûr e, û me... me ava bacanê 'eserî xistine.. û pîwaz.. û me pîng na tê ke paşî jî me îsot ra.. me rind distira, şûn da jî me çûçik zeyt kirê.. û di.. dibîn hama dikin cûmik. What did we make? This is fine semolina, and we... we put squeezed tomato juice in it... and onions... and we put mint in it, then we added pepper... we kneaded it well, and afterwards we added a little oil... and we make it all into balls.
Ti distire distire wekî hevîr, û paşî dikî cûmik? You knead it, knead it like dough, and then you make it into balls?
Ah. Yes.
Û diki ser... And you put it on...
Destên kê sax e û ê kê ne sax e? Ma tê bîra bav û kalên me û we? We make...
Destên kê sax e û ê kê ne sax e? Ma tê bîra bav û kalên me û we? Whose hands are safe and sound, and whose are not? Does it remind you of our ancestors and yourselves?
Hawo, gena, şoşbim, xwarinek kevn e. This, gena, şoşbim, these are old foods.
Dêca ya me Kurdan e? So it belongs to us Kurds?
Erê. Yes.
Hawo ji kû derê derket? Where did this come from?
Ji Efrînê derket bes ji kîjan gundî derketiye tê bîra te? It came from Afrin, but do you remember from which village it originated?
Na, na tê bîra min. No, I don't remember.
Te got ji kû derê ye? Where did you say it's from?
Xwarinek tûrasî ye, ya dema berê ye. It's a traditional food, from the old times.
Belê. Yes.
Li dema berê ev tişt çêdikirin. They used to make these things in the old times.
Kofte çêdikirin, hevîr çêdikirin, kulîk çêdikirin, germic çêdikirin, donik çêdikirin... They made kofte, dough, kulîk, germic, and donik...
Tiştên wisa çêdikirin wile, her tişt hebû, temam. They made things like that, everything was available, okay.
Ka bisekine... Let's wait...
Ka yekî tam bikim, weke wî yekî tam bikim, ev yek e. Let me taste one, let me taste one like that, this is the one.
Xwarin te xwaş be. Ehla û sehlen, ser serê min, ser çavê min. Enjoy your food. Welcome, you are upon my head and eyes.
Qesî min e, bextaniya gundiya min, bo wî yekê dikirin. Haaa... Haaa... I swear, it's the tradition of my villagers, they used to do it for that. Haaa... Haaa...
Xaltîk, te got te çi nedikir? Auntie, what did you say you didn't do?
Bextanî. Ew jî gelek dihate kirin bes ma çarşî û sekir tune bû. Bextanî. That was also made a lot, but we didn't have markets or sugar.
Me nedikir. We didn't do it.
Eceb wext nabe. Surprisingly, there is no time.
Destê te sax be, we saet be. Ehluselom. Bless your hands, may you be safe. Welcome.
Me xaltîkeke din dît. Werin ez nas bikim. We found another auntie. Let me introduce myself.
Meydanek baze, xeynî karê malê we çi kar dikir berê? This is an open field, besides housework, what work did you use to do?
Wileh ez nediçûm karê çolê. By God I didn't go to fieldwork.
Ê çi kesê feqîr bû diçû karê çolê dikir? Then why did the poor ones go and do fieldwork?
Bes ê çima halê xwe re nedikir karê çolê nedikir? But why didn't the one who could afford it do fieldwork?
Li mal bûn, ay me temam li mal in, me xizmetê qîçikê xwe dikir. Karê xwe malê dikir, her hebû. They were at home, yeah we are completely at home, we took care of our little ones. We did our housework, it was always there.
Belê temam. Yes, okay.
Werin anî werin. Come here, come here.
Eywa... Xaltîk destê te sax be. Xaltîkê min, ev ji kîjan gundî ye? Yes... Auntie, bless your hands. My auntie, which village is this from?
Ev ji Turkalî ye, ez Turkalî me. This is from Turkalî, I am from Turkalî.
Turkalî ye? You are from Turkalî?
Lî. Yes.
Saet xweş, keçe nas bikim. Very well, let me get to know you, girl.
Edikî xaltîk a min. I am doing fine, my auntie.
Ji kîjan derê ye xaltîk? Where are you from, auntie?
Xosê. Xosê. Xosê. Xosê. Xosê. Xosê.
Ji kîjan gundî we, xosê ye? Which village is yours, is it Xosê?
Ev gundê Tirka ye. This is the village of Turks.
Erê malê. Yes, dear.
Erê. Yes.
Tu çend sal we li vir î? How many years have you been here?
Nizanîm bi cîhê xwe, nêzîkî pêncî sal in li vir im. Pêncî sal. Pêncî sal. I don't know my exact place, I have been here for nearly fifty years. Fifty years. Fifty years.
Xaltîk çawa çawa nesîb çêbû tu çû wê derê? Auntie, how did it happen that you went there?
Em bi xwe ji gundê Qurbanê ne... em ji navçeya Mabeta ne. We ourselves are from Qurbanê village... we are from the Mabeta district.
Me dît em çûn, em hatin. Bapîrê min jî Kurmanc bûn, lê qeza Xizre (Azaz), Sûriyê re bûn. We saw we went, we came. My grandfather was also Kurdish, but from the Azaz district, they were in Syria.
Dema me li vir e, ev dema me ye, ev dema me ye. Our time is here, this is our time, this is our time.
Wê demê we digot ev dema me ye... At that time you were saying this is our time...
Ev ne keça, çîpika min e, ez nan dikim... Maşallah, maşallah te çawa çêkir... This is not my daughter, she is my little one, I am making bread... Mashallah, mashallah how you made it...
Lê emrê me nehiştin, xilas bûm. But our life didn't let us, I am exhausted.
Ê xaltîk, tu barê min hilgirî? Çi ye ev pendik e... Oh auntie, will you carry my load? What is this pendik...
Na, çetinî, tiştek çetin nîne. No, it's difficult, there's nothing difficult.
Bisekine, maşallah te qundirek anî kiriye texte binî xwe xistiye. Wait, mashallah you brought a pumpkin and put the board under you.
Tiştek tenik be, eyd e em dikin, em goşt dibrêjin. Goştê qurbanî ye. Let it be something thin, it's Eid we are doing it, we are roasting meat. It's sacrificial meat.
Goşt dibrêjin.. nanê rûnî bes, bes vira we nanê çawa çêkir ku ewqas xweş e... Roasting meat.. just oily bread, just how did you make the bread here that it's so delicious...
Temam, bi şekir xweş e. Ey noke helwe dibe. Lê. Okay, it's good with sugar. Oh, now it becomes halva. But.
Xeynî xeynî van xwarinên kevneşopî yên berê, we nan çawa çêdikir? Besides, besides these traditional old foods, how did you make bread?
Semîsekê rizî dikirin. Semîsekê din dikirin, yanî gelek tişt hebûn. They made rice semisek. They made another semisek, meaning there were many things.
Çi dikirin hûn... What were you doing...
Tiştên tûrasî, ya berê çêdikirin. Traditional things, they made what was from the past.
Erê wileh xaltîk wallah ka dînem ser... ya raber... dînem ser, metirsin metirsin, lêxe. Yes by God, auntie, by God, let me look... to the front... let me look, don't be afraid, don't be afraid, hit it.
Lêxe... ewa... dîn bi tu, lêxe tulqe, tulqe, tulqe, tulqe. Temam. Bira. Hit it... yeah... push it, hit it with the rolling pin, rolling pin, rolling pin, rolling pin. Okay. Brother.
Bira û, bi de ser... Brother and, put it on...
Ka em nanekî sêr bikin hela. Let's look at a bread.
Bisekine em asîdê nenin... Bisekine, çi derket e... Allah... Allah bisekine bisekine maşallah maşallah ev nanê xaltîkê ye lê binêre... Wait, let's not put acid... Wait, what came out... Allah... Allah wait wait mashallah mashallah this is the auntie's bread, look at it...
Xwedê te sax bike... Xwedê te sax bike, tu her hebî. May God keep you safe... May God keep you safe, may you always exist.
Xaltîk te ev hevîr çawa çêkir e? Auntie, how did you make this dough?
Me piçek zêyt kiriyê û xwê ye û piçek şekir û xemîre, piçek xemîre willeh. We put a little oil in it, and salt, and a little sugar and yeast, a little yeast by God.
Ji nanê firnê xweştir, leqweşî ye leqweşî. It's more delicious than oven bread, it's wonderful, wonderful.
Mêze bikim li vir weke encama xaltîkê ye. Let me look here, it's like the result of the auntie.
Bes em ê wek berê nînin. Em tim amade dikin, em datînin ser pêş... But we are not like before. We always prepare it, we put it in front...
Gundiya min hazir kir... got willeh min hazir kir... My village lady prepared it... she said by God I prepared it...
Belê ez amade dikim. Barê xwarinê datînim ser destê xwe.. Yes, I am preparing it. I put the load of food on my hand..
Xaltîk te tim e he jom er en e gu a ka we dem e... he te wer do re bare dor bu je bi do ra.. Auntie, you always uh, you are tired uh... uh from that time.. uh you have been carrying this burden for so long..
Xaltîk navê wê çawa derketiye? Nanê çawa dikin xaltîk? Auntie, how did its name come about? How do they make the bread, auntie?
Lê xaltîk navê wê çî ye hevîr çêdike û hevîrê rûn nake. Em tên vê carê tiştên me sînî ne. But auntie, what is its name, she makes dough and doesn't put oil in the dough. We come this time, our things are trays.
A yanî xwarinên me yên berê, me du tê da. Jam er ena. Yek ji wan cureyan e, em wisa nan dikin. Ah, I mean our past foods, we put two in it. Jam er ena. It's one of those types, we make bread like this.
Belê. Te maşebane em dîtin. Me nan jî xwar, me hevîr jî xwar, me gund jî nas kir. Yes. You greeted us well. We ate the bread too, we ate the dough too, we got to know the village too.
Em li dawiya bernameya xwe ne û em dixwazin bibêjin ku ev bi hezaran daxwazên we ne, xelkê me yên baş. Me destpêkê de got ku ev der warê we ye.. Ez Rûdjan Hac Ehmed li gel we me û îro ez ji gundê Dîk Daxê we silav dikim. We are at the end of our program and we want to say that this is with thousands of your requests, our good people. We said at the beginning that this place is your home.. I am Rudjan Hac Ehmed with you and today I greet you from the village of Dik Dax.
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